A debate at Westminster Theological Seminary between Christopher Hitchens, renowned atheist, and Douglas Wilson, renowned Christian author. It was moderated by Dr. Scott Oliphint, and you can read his response to the debate at www.wts.edu
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So by Wilson’s logic, all the bogus panaceas sold by medical charlatans means there is a real panacea out there.
Yes, the scriptures are equivalent to shopping bags.
Nice one, idiot.
why so, much of the commentators in this debates are thinking people
what wilson says is basically on par with justin martyr’s argument that satan fabricated all of the other similar qualities of earlier religions in accordance with the christian story.
@jamaicanification no because religion gives them the motivation to do it.. therefore it is religion… jsut like religious people take credit for charities that were motivated by religion.. you cant have it both ways…
religion is the problem because it creates a society and belief in your mind you can justify any action.. if god tells you to do it you will do it.. your gun argument makes no sense..itd be the person who told you to kill someone…in whcih case yes theyd be subject to the law
amazing how Hitchens never lets Wilson get a word in in fear of being rebuttaled. I guess Christopher Hitchens figures that if he takes up all the time talking over Wilson and not let Wilson interrupt he will win the argument. Hitchens should have just brought earplugs and turned up his microphone.
@TheAtheistworld
Nah. He’s real. What’s scary to me is how you get astro physicists who believe in gins and demons whilst constructing things on the atomic level (islamists and some christians).
Nah, he’s definitely real.
@Domzdream i agree, but i think he is just an actor. w do u think?
@TheAtheistworld
I agree. It’s clearly so. Here we have a really intelligent man, who believes in demons with horns and tails, and a heavenly theme park, monsters and the actual earth stopping without any side effects. This to me indicates just how religion can riddle one’s logic and overall mind. It kind of hijacks one’s intelligence. It amazes me and dissapoints me to no end.
religious people r mentally disordered. its not an insult. its my observation and opinion.
hitchens keeps pointing to the so called bad things done by religion. Correction, its done in the name of religion. People can use anything to justify unjust acts. I can say that since evolution promotes a structural hierachy in living things, the scramble for africa in the 19th century and the holocaust were justified. Its not religion itself thats the problem its people who interpret it. It you murdered someone would it be the guns fault or the person pulling the trigger?
@koabarra nope, it doesn’t outdate the mahabharata, the babylonian and egyptian myths, etc. your holy book, as are all holy books, is a reguritation and amalgamation of myths already making their rounds around the ancient world. which is fine, nothing wrong with that, but you’ll need to accept it because well, it’s reality.
@BillKiernan except the old testament, which prophecies that the messiah will come from a virgin, outdates all those “virgin stories” you’re talking about.
I hope Wilson knows that virgin birth was a concept that had come many years before his buddy Jesus
Surely the burden of proof is on you. It’s like saying “please provide evidence against ‘Big Foot’, the ‘Yeti’, the ‘Loch Ness Monster’, ‘Apollo’, ‘Zeus’ or ‘The Flying Spaghetti Monster’.”
Why isn’t Wilson wearing his hat?
Thinking caps on, Wilson!
@fusedchromosome
I wonder why no such miracles happen nowadays when there are loads of instruments ready and capable of documenting them, along with many people of various beliefs and religions who are not subject to the same biases and can see through them?
If they are manifestations of the supernatural and occur in the natural world as religious texts claim then science should be able to document it as well, since it occurs in the natural world.
@TheWinepusher he shows that the religions are bullshit and like dawkins, shows that even in their moderate state they allow mutations into the radicals and no matter which form religion takes it disrupts true learning. religion even in many of its most tolerate of forms still teach unverified and poorly developed hypothesis to others. the very essence of abrahamic religions at least, is to not question or ever tolerate questioning about their god.
@2CSST2 i wish atheism was called realism. first off atheism gives far too much credibility to religion. 2nd religious people tend to think of it as another form of religion.
@TheWinepusher Wrong, you are making a claim you have to prove. It is completely absurd as a way of proceeding to prove the non-existence of things, rather then proving their existence. Otherwise we can go anywhere from there: Planet sized strawberries exist, you’d have to look the whole universe to prove they don’t. Star wars people also do, as well as an invisible population of men who are among us presently. Those things and God are equally relevant right now.
@2CSST2 First of all, if you’re going to make the claim that God doesn’t exist then you have the burden to prove it. So yes, you absolutly do have to provide evidence. Secondly, as with every debate with christopher hitche,s he offers no definitive proof aganist God’s existence. He just talks about North Korea, Radical Religion and Christian Crimes. Religion may be bad, Christians may have done bad things, but that has nothing to do with the issue of whether God exists or not
@TheWinepusher I think you can find hell of a lot arguments against his existence as generally conceived in this debate if you listen carefully. But obviously it is impossible to completely prove God doesn’t exist since you can just keep changing the conception of him to evade new evidences. Atheism is based on evidence about reality, we don’t have to provide evidence on unreal events.
I’m still shocked that human beings can be as dumb as Wilson is in this video.
HAHAHA, atheism is based on evidence. plz provide some evidences aganist God’s existence then.
the resurrection is a made up cure for a made up problem. god killed himself because someone ate an apple? Please…